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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/04/dobson-will-back-third-party-if-giuliani-is-nominated/#comment-281</link>
		<author>Ken</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Oct 2007 09:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm disgusted by the "Church Council", of the putative elders (who appointed them, anyway?) of American evangelicaldom, that gathered to wallow in sour grapes because the big, bad GOP isn't letting them be kingmakers anymore. One of them whined how Bush would never have won in 2004 "if it wasn't for us". Well, whoop-de-do, fella, and kindly tell me precisely which article of the Great Commission that fulfills. 
 
Getting left out in the cold is the best thing that could happen to the evangelicals at this juncture in history. The "Christian Right" has gotten a little too accustomed to, dare I say a little too drunk on, its political power over the last twenty years. It's awfully hard to reconcile such pride with the followers of a Savior whose earthly life ended on a cross. 
 
The main player in this tragifarce, of course, is James Dobson, who felt called upon to announce to the world that he'd boycott the polling booth if it came down to a choice between Clinton and Giuliani. This is the height of irresponsibility and hubris, and, it's just plain dumb. 
 
Irresponsible, because he's encouraging the faithful minions who hang on his every word to pull the same cop-out on election day that he plans to (and give the election to Hillary, who'll accomplish loads for the "Christian Right" agenda, naturally). 
 
Hubris, because, while the man has every right not to vote, he presumptuously assumes that his decision not to vote should matter  - indeed, be decisive - to the rest of us (I keep asking myself: so who is this guy, anyway?). 
 
And dumb, well, for a raft of reasons: for one thing, we're voting for president, not the next pastor of your local church; Dobson doesn't seem to know the difference (I wonder if he asks for a statement of faith before he lets the plumber touch his kitchen sink...). Moreover, if he really cared about the abortion issue, then you'd think he'd listen to what Giuliani is saying about a "federalist" approach and the appointment of "constructionist" justices. That's the most promising "pro-life" policy to issue from a Republican national campaign in, well, ever. 
 
And, this time around, it's quite possibly do-able. Especially if the Christian-Right-kingmaker-wannabe's don't grab their political football and stomp off the field in an almighty infantile huff, because nobody let them be captain of the team: "If we can't play, nobody can! So there!"
 
I hate to say what I'm going to say, but my gut tells me there's an even baser element in this whole thing:  could it just be that Dobson and the other self-appointed elders of evangelicaldom don't like the Italian Catholic Giuliani because he's "not one of us"? 
 
It would be very interesting to know who these men voted for in '68, '72 and '76. It's a safe bet they voted Republican, even though Nixon and Ford said nary a word on the abortion issue. It wasn't even on their radar screen. On any practical level, they were both "pro-choice" (Mrs. Ford volubly so). Did Dobson vote for Nixon and Ford? If so, why can't he bring himself to vote for Giuliani in '08? What makes it different now from then? Quite clearly, what makes it different now is that Dobson and Company expect to anoint the Republican candidate. 
 
An expectation like that needs to be exorcized from the heart of anyone who calls himself a follower of Jesus Christ, anyone whose citizenship is in heaven, who seeks a heavenly city whose Architect and Builder is God. 
 
My gut sense is that the days of the peculiar American phenomenon called the "Christian Right" are chokingly and splutteringly expiring. And, that that is a good thing. All things pass away, yet God remains on His throne, His purpose is not thwarted, and the Great Commission hasn't changed a jot or tittle. There is Life, and  a Kingdom, after the Christian Right. 
 
Ken Sears
Zaporozhye, Ukraine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m disgusted by the &#8220;Church Council&#8221;, of the putative elders (who appointed them, anyway?) of American evangelicaldom, that gathered to wallow in sour grapes because the big, bad GOP isn&#8217;t letting them be kingmakers anymore. One of them whined how Bush would never have won in 2004 &#8220;if it wasn&#8217;t for us&#8221;. Well, whoop-de-do, fella, and kindly tell me precisely which article of the Great Commission that fulfills. </p>
<p>Getting left out in the cold is the best thing that could happen to the evangelicals at this juncture in history. The &#8220;Christian Right&#8221; has gotten a little too accustomed to, dare I say a little too drunk on, its political power over the last twenty years. It&#8217;s awfully hard to reconcile such pride with the followers of a Savior whose earthly life ended on a cross. </p>
<p>The main player in this tragifarce, of course, is James Dobson, who felt called upon to announce to the world that he&#8217;d boycott the polling booth if it came down to a choice between Clinton and Giuliani. This is the height of irresponsibility and hubris, and, it&#8217;s just plain dumb. </p>
<p>Irresponsible, because he&#8217;s encouraging the faithful minions who hang on his every word to pull the same cop-out on election day that he plans to (and give the election to Hillary, who&#8217;ll accomplish loads for the &#8220;Christian Right&#8221; agenda, naturally). </p>
<p>Hubris, because, while the man has every right not to vote, he presumptuously assumes that his decision not to vote should matter  - indeed, be decisive - to the rest of us (I keep asking myself: so who is this guy, anyway?). </p>
<p>And dumb, well, for a raft of reasons: for one thing, we&#8217;re voting for president, not the next pastor of your local church; Dobson doesn&#8217;t seem to know the difference (I wonder if he asks for a statement of faith before he lets the plumber touch his kitchen sink&#8230;). Moreover, if he really cared about the abortion issue, then you&#8217;d think he&#8217;d listen to what Giuliani is saying about a &#8220;federalist&#8221; approach and the appointment of &#8220;constructionist&#8221; justices. That&#8217;s the most promising &#8220;pro-life&#8221; policy to issue from a Republican national campaign in, well, ever. </p>
<p>And, this time around, it&#8217;s quite possibly do-able. Especially if the Christian-Right-kingmaker-wannabe&#8217;s don&#8217;t grab their political football and stomp off the field in an almighty infantile huff, because nobody let them be captain of the team: &#8220;If we can&#8217;t play, nobody can! So there!&#8221;</p>
<p>I hate to say what I&#8217;m going to say, but my gut tells me there&#8217;s an even baser element in this whole thing:  could it just be that Dobson and the other self-appointed elders of evangelicaldom don&#8217;t like the Italian Catholic Giuliani because he&#8217;s &#8220;not one of us&#8221;? </p>
<p>It would be very interesting to know who these men voted for in &#8216;68, &#8216;72 and &#8216;76. It&#8217;s a safe bet they voted Republican, even though Nixon and Ford said nary a word on the abortion issue. It wasn&#8217;t even on their radar screen. On any practical level, they were both &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; (Mrs. Ford volubly so). Did Dobson vote for Nixon and Ford? If so, why can&#8217;t he bring himself to vote for Giuliani in &#8216;08? What makes it different now from then? Quite clearly, what makes it different now is that Dobson and Company expect to anoint the Republican candidate. </p>
<p>An expectation like that needs to be exorcized from the heart of anyone who calls himself a follower of Jesus Christ, anyone whose citizenship is in heaven, who seeks a heavenly city whose Architect and Builder is God. </p>
<p>My gut sense is that the days of the peculiar American phenomenon called the &#8220;Christian Right&#8221; are chokingly and splutteringly expiring. And, that that is a good thing. All things pass away, yet God remains on His throne, His purpose is not thwarted, and the Great Commission hasn&#8217;t changed a jot or tittle. There is Life, and  a Kingdom, after the Christian Right. </p>
<p>Ken Sears<br />
Zaporozhye, Ukraine</p>
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		<link>http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/04/dobson-will-back-third-party-if-giuliani-is-nominated/#comment-168</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 08:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/04/dobson-will-back-third-party-if-giuliani-is-nominated/#comment-137</link>
		<author>Robert</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 06:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's going to be interesting to see the battle for the republican nomination unfold. The strategy that worked so well for Bush was to get the Dobson crowd on board - that worked well enough to get him elected as president for 8 years. It looks like Giuliani wouldn't get that support, but could he make up for it with some dems that would crossover?
Robert
www.guessthepresident.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s going to be interesting to see the battle for the republican nomination unfold. The strategy that worked so well for Bush was to get the Dobson crowd on board - that worked well enough to get him elected as president for 8 years. It looks like Giuliani wouldn&#8217;t get that support, but could he make up for it with some dems that would crossover?<br />
Robert<br />
<a href="http://www.guessthepresident.com" rel="nofollow">www.guessthepresident.com</a></p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 12:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Chris Kelly</title>
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		<author>Chris Kelly</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one hope Ron Paul wins the election, and I think winning AS A THIRD-PARTY candidate would do America a heckovalotta good. Unfortunately I am also skeptical that a plurality of Americans have enough good sense to vote for a good man. If true, this means, yet again, voting for the "lesser of two evils".  God have mercy on us!</description>
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		<title>By: Nick Kasoff - The Thug Report</title>
		<link>http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/04/dobson-will-back-third-party-if-giuliani-is-nominated/#comment-66</link>
		<author>Nick Kasoff - The Thug Report</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well sure, Giuliani supports abortion rights. But who else can protects us from the terrors of 9/11? And besides, he's America's mayor. James Dobson is a meanie! Remember 9/11? How those awful terrorists attacked us? Only Giuliani can keep us safe. He's there to protect us. 9/11. Terrorists.

Nick Kasoff
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well sure, Giuliani supports abortion rights. But who else can protects us from the terrors of 9/11? And besides, he&#8217;s America&#8217;s mayor. James Dobson is a meanie! Remember 9/11? How those awful terrorists attacked us? Only Giuliani can keep us safe. He&#8217;s there to protect us. 9/11. Terrorists.</p>
<p>Nick Kasoff<br />
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