Giuliani’s Delusion: ‘Quickly’ Hitting Afghanistan or Pakistan ‘Might Have Helped Prevent’ 9/11…

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What people fail to realize, is that ANY terrorist attack is not just a random event. We have occupied and dictated to Middle East countries for decades. Our ridiculous occupation has created our own plight. Just have a small militant group live in your house for years, racking up bills, demolishing your property. That’d piss you off enough to take action too.

Is your issue with Giuliani is that he is not being enough of a hawk? …and that a preemptive invasion of Afganistan and possible other places would have been necessary to actually prevent a 9/11 attack? If that is your point, I think you have ample evidence that such an aggressive strategy works give n the fact that the US has not been hit since adopting such an aggressive strategy. Good to see another Bush support on digg.

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Of course it doesn’t make any sense. Giuliani is out of his mind.

dave bailey, i read your comment three times and i cannot figure out if it is sarcasm….or if your just the worst kind of idiot. sure we havent been hit again in america…..yet, but that doesnt mean terrorist attacks have stopped. They now take place on our soldiers, who are fighting a war that is not required of their oath to defend the country. the war is for ol’ king george to make a quick buck. dont forget the 50,000 iraqi civiilians whove been maimed or killed since the start of the war. how bout, instead of lashing out with smart bombs everytime opposition arises, we sit down and talk to them and find out what is pissing them off so bad. from the comment up above, i can only assume (and we all know what assuming makes) that you are a neo con christian. this is not necessarily a bad thing, but if so, your own religion is a religion of peace. didn’t jesus say to turn the other cheek?

@ Dave,

here are a few fundamentals you might want to think about before making that gigantic leap of logic that you just did…

Does attacking a STATE, have any effect on a TRANSNATIONAL (terrorist) organization which can operate out of a a number of other states, i would attribute the low number of terrorist attacks post 9/11 to better domestic intelligence and security measures - and not 2 wars halfway across the world which serve, in the long term, to recruiting more militants to the cause than it prevents.

of course it makes sense.
targeted airstrikes in (afghanastan or pakistan) could have prevetented the specific terrorist attack on 9/11

what makes guillieania (hah4) such a powerful leader is his ability to make such broad generalizing statements such as this. His arguement is completely moot. Conditionally had .. virtually unprovoked airstrikes .. in one of two middle eastern countries with such precision as to qualify them as guarded, one could argue that one of the hijackers could have been the result of such a strike.

His earlier comment out of context, or without explaination is equally meaningless as well;

“that we’ve never had an imminent attack”

First off i dont’ see how an attack can ever be regarded as lacking imminence (bonus pts if that’s actually a word?). Secondly if it is tied in with his later comment, it is both saying that 9/11 was an ‘imminent’ attack, and that guided missiles could have magically prevented it before it had happened had we launched missiles at pakistan.

but what i really want to know is who’s the man behind the mask? huh? who’s the man? ruuudy, ruddddy? who are you?

Giuliani implied that the U.S. had advance knowledge of the 9/11 attacks.

Dave, your naivete and unquestioning willingness to accept the spin of the conservatives hawks, in the name of some sort of “patriotism” that “makes us safer” is the reason this idiot of a president got elected.

You talk about how we’ve “not been attacked since” due to our “aggressive strategy” - of course what you either fail to understand or willingly ignore is that they don’t have to come here and kill us. We’ve sent an army of kids over there, and now they can kill them from the comfort of their tents in the desert. 3,900+ american soldiers dead and counting.

It’s the intellectual giants such as yourself that got us into this mess. Guiliani is cut from the exact same cloth, and is a complete moron.

Giuliani is an idiot. Ron Paul was referring to there not being a case in the last 220 years where an attack took place where the president needed to wage an act of war before getting a declaration from Congress due to the imminent nature of the attack. On 911 the government wasn’t certain who attacked and therefore had to wait weeks before responding militarily giving Congress plenty of time to declare war, and with Pearl Harbour the government needed weeks to plan a response to the Japanese Empire’s attack, again giving Congress plenty of time to declare war. Ron Paul’s comment was in this context of imminence requiring a military response without Congressional declaration but Giuliani completely ignored that and misrepresented Ron Paul’s statement.

Giuliani is an idiot.

I think the Al Qaeda strategy was to provoke a response in the middle east so that the region would break down into a state of war and the islamic world could be united under an islamic caliphant strong enough to take on the west. This has been published by Al Qaeda- their strategy was accomplished by one attack. I would venture that there hasn’t been more attacks on american soil because they wouldn’t further the alqaeda agenda.

Giuliani is an absolute moron. Unfortunately, most people still in the Republican Party are total morons.

Guliani said it *might* have prevented the attacks, and the article your quoting says EXACTLY the same thing: “If every plan to attack al-Qaeda had been executed, and every lead explored, Atta’s team might still never have been caught.”

Or conversely, they *might* have been caught and prevented. Get it?

And heeding the advice of Berger and Clarke is grim humor, no? The build of terror networks in Afghanistan and Pakistan occurred under their watches. In fact, Berger was so confident of the Clinton administration’s success in that regard, that he stole and destroyed classified documents pertaining to the subject. Oh well.

Have to add that Ron Paul is an idiot if he believes that September 11th had “nothing to do with a country.”

Where were the plans hatched? Who was involved in the planning. What countries gave sanctuary and support to those planners?

@Bob

Ron Paul is no idiot. You should search for his reading list, and then read it. Then you wouldn’t be putting your foot in your mouth by touting these intellectually unfounded statements around the ‘net.

Sure, Afghanistan harbored and supported Al Queda, now that we’ve Afghanistan to the cleaners for it, Al Queda simply moved to another country where the people of that country hate the U.S. As long we have a foreign policy that incites hatred, Al Queda will *always* have safe harbor and support. It’s that simple. Should we invade them all? Completely deplete the wealth and standard of living that defines the American dream in order to invade the entire middle east? How about we start a draft to support this directive? Maybe we should take a good hard look at our poorly designed foreign policy, make some changes, and gain some allies. *That* is the *only* way to leave Al Queda no ground to run to.

@ bob

where were the plans hatched? *cough* Saudi Arabia *Cough*

hrmm… perhaps we should be looking at the country that the people who attacked us ACTUALLY came from.

I read what he said, which was ‘It(9/11) has nothing to do with a country.’

It had everything to do with a country.

Al-Qaeda can keep moving. As long as they’re moving and occupied, they have less resources to carry out terror attacks.

Actually, much of the hatching and planning took place in Florida when Atta and others were living there a year prior to the big day! Maybe we should have attacked Miami Beach of the Everglades.

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I think the point was that the attacks of 9/11 were not attacks BY a nation’s army. If you’re attacked by a force which is not national in nature, then there’s no way that attacking the nation’s army is going to have any impact.

And, by the way, much of the planning for the attacks took place on the Gulfcoast of Florida, not far from where I was living. So, in essence, I think your logic has us attacking Florida, and scooping up all those pesky Floridians as potential terrorists. Ridiculous.

The point is, we need to go after the particular group, not a country.

[…] Giuliani’s Delusion: ‘Quickly’ Hitting Afghanistan or Pakistan ‘Might Have Helped Prevent’…  “GIULIANI: … I think [the 9/11 attack] was kind of organized in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And if we had known about it, maybe hitting a target there quickly might have helped prevent it.” But as Time Magazine and the chairmen of 9/11 Commission point out, Giuliani has it backwards. While ‘hitting a target’ in Afghanistan would not have foiled the 9/11 attacks, mounting an aggressive campaign “to degrade the terrorist network worldwide,” and heeding the advice of Sandy Berger and Richard Clarke may have. […]

Giuliani is a complete idiot, trying to become president of the United States, based on him being the mayor of New York when 9/11 happened to happen. He’s living off of that. Every point he makes comes back to 9/11… it is so painfully obvious. He completely twists every statement that everyone else makes, and ends it with “blah blah blah, 9/11″.

Pre-emptive strike on Iran???!!!! WTF is this guy on!!!????

@Bob - you represent the kind of American that has the intelligence of a rock and underline why the rest of us need to work twice as hard to fix the damage that your ignorance has allowed.

What country was it that Al’qaeda (literally The Database - or The CIA Database of Mujahadeen) came from and was sponsored by that you think had something to do with 911? What government? 14 of 19 supposed hijackers were from Saudi Arabia. You need to educate yourself and learn for yourself that Fox, Hannity and Limbaugh do not tell you everything you need to know. Please, for the future of America - think for yourself. Question authority.

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