Comments on: Bush’s Ideological Power Grab: Admin To Spy on Americans Before 9/11 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/ Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:39:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: nikolai http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-251 nikolai Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:02:39 +0000 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-251 The bu$h administration longs to go back to the days of J. Edgar Hoover and Joe McCarthy when gov't officials could do exactly as they pleased and the 99.999% of the citizenry never questioned a thing. The ones who did were blackmailed (or jailed) by Hoover or blacklisted (or labeled a commie) by McCarthy, or simply disappeared. Ah, those were the days... The bu$h administration longs to go back to the days of J. Edgar Hoover and Joe McCarthy when gov’t officials could do exactly as they pleased and the 99.999% of the citizenry never questioned a thing. The ones who did were blackmailed (or jailed) by Hoover or blacklisted (or labeled a commie) by McCarthy, or simply disappeared. Ah, those were the days…

]]> By: TheDecider http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-249 TheDecider Sun, 14 Oct 2007 18:27:47 +0000 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-249 These idiots have been planning this since 1998, only the village idiot wasn't involved in PNAC. This whole assministation is behind ALL the terror attacks in Iraq. They did 9/11 to us. And for all you non believers just ask yourself whatever happened to the 2.3 TRILLION dollars that went missing 09/10/01. Google Pentagon Sept 10th 2001. And how come we don't see more video at the Pentagon on 9/11. Pentagon has thousands of camera's there. This is nothing compared to attacking your own people. It's all wrong, and Bush is wrong again. These idiots have been planning this since 1998, only the village idiot wasn’t involved in PNAC. This whole assministation is behind ALL the terror attacks in Iraq. They did 9/11 to us. And for all you non believers just ask yourself whatever happened to the 2.3 TRILLION dollars that went missing 09/10/01. Google Pentagon Sept 10th 2001. And how come we don’t see more video at the Pentagon on 9/11. Pentagon has thousands of camera’s there. This is nothing compared to attacking your own people. It’s all wrong, and Bush is wrong again.

]]> By: d.k.villa http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-248 d.k.villa Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:47:41 +0000 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-248 this whole senerio is out of a bad screenplay. it has to be, because no one in his right mind would ever subcribe to it... this whole senerio is out of a bad screenplay. it has to be, because no one in his right mind would ever subcribe to it…

]]> By: Norman http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-239 Norman Sun, 14 Oct 2007 09:26:28 +0000 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-239 So Bush lied about something else; is anyone surprised? The only question I have; Why is impeachment "off the table"? Nancy Pelosi needs to go. /Can I has new House Speaker? So Bush lied about something else; is anyone surprised?

The only question I have; Why is impeachment “off the table”?

Nancy Pelosi needs to go.
/Can I has new House Speaker?

]]> By: Fred http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-235 Fred Sun, 14 Oct 2007 08:01:04 +0000 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-235 The Washington Post did NOT make this claim. This claim was made by a convicted felon trying to use it as a basis to overturn his conviction on 19 insider trading charges. The Washington Post did NOT make this claim. This claim was made by a convicted felon trying to use it as a basis to overturn his conviction on 19 insider trading charges.

]]> By: Jan Sumisu http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-232 Jan Sumisu Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:18:17 +0000 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-232 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIO-tCPSfHA Why Democrats are too scared to impeach Bush: He would declare martial law, attack Iran and cancel elections. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIO-tCPSfHA

Why Democrats are too scared to impeach Bush: He would declare martial law, attack Iran and cancel elections.

]]> By: Politics top DIGG news » Bushs Ideological Power Grab: Admin To Spy on Americans Before 9/11 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-231 Politics top DIGG news » Bushs Ideological Power Grab: Admin To Spy on Americans Before 9/11 Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:12:55 +0000 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-231 [...] read more | digg story [...] […] read more | digg story […]

]]> By: Mantrari Damacy http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-228 Mantrari Damacy Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:46:53 +0000 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-228 You have to read Bush's statement very carefully. You have to read ALL of Bush's statements very carefully. It is an art that you may not be familiar with. You say truthful things. But you use them in a way that gives an impression of something completely different. There are a number of points here which I could play, but the main one is that he didn't actually say that he authorized it after 9/11. His words were crafted in order to give that impression. "As part of this effort" refers to an effort to protect Americans, not 9/11 itself. Nice, eh? You can find a number of other misdirections in there. "Second, the government does not listen to domestic phones calls without court approval." Again, completely true if you have the same context as the president. A domestic phone call originates and terminates within the United States. It does not mean the same as "a phone call with a domestic participant." Oooops! "Fourth, the privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities." One could say that this sentence hangs on the word "ordinary". Or perhaps it is 'fiercely protected' because a domestic spying operation would not be publishing its findings. It is protected "in all our activities", meaning, it does not escape outside of their activities. I really need to make a website that tells people how to decode the common wordplays that politicians, business and legal professionals use. "The rumor that we will fire 500 people in September is false". (Actual story: We'll fire 450 in September.) You have to read Bush’s statement very carefully. You have to read ALL of Bush’s statements very carefully. It is an art that you may not be familiar with. You say truthful things. But you use them in a way that gives an impression of something completely different.

There are a number of points here which I could play, but the main one is that he didn’t actually say that he authorized it after 9/11. His words were crafted in order to give that impression. “As part of this effort” refers to an effort to protect Americans, not 9/11 itself. Nice, eh?

You can find a number of other misdirections in there. “Second, the government does not listen to domestic phones calls without court approval.” Again, completely true if you have the same context as the president. A domestic phone call originates and terminates within the United States. It does not mean the same as “a phone call with a domestic participant.” Oooops!

“Fourth, the privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities.” One could say that this sentence hangs on the word “ordinary”. Or perhaps it is ‘fiercely protected’ because a domestic spying operation would not be publishing its findings. It is protected “in all our activities”, meaning, it does not escape outside of their activities.

I really need to make a website that tells people how to decode the common wordplays that politicians, business and legal professionals use. “The rumor that we will fire 500 people in September is false”. (Actual story: We’ll fire 450 in September.)

]]> By: Metagg http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-227 Metagg Sun, 14 Oct 2007 04:22:05 +0000 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-227 <strong>Metagg is tracking this post...</strong> Find out what Social News Sites are discussing this post over at metagg.com... Metagg is tracking this post…

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]]> By: LT http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-225 LT Sun, 14 Oct 2007 03:50:51 +0000 http://bodypolitik.org/2007/10/13/bushs-ideological-power-grab-admin-to-spy-on-americans-before-911/#comment-225 Why should there EVER be warrantless wiretapping in a democracy that values the rule of law? That's just an invitation for abuse. If our government needs to do legal, appropriate wiretapping they should never have a problem getting a warrant. The FISA court already allows for "after the fact" warrants in emergency situations. They have only turned down a handful of warrant requests since the court was created in the Nixon era. Nobody has ever claimed they had a problem getting a FISA warrant. Ever. Warrantless wiretapping has no place in a democracy. Remember this: Democracies die behind closed doors. Just like ours is dying right now - right in front of our eyes. As we do...nothing. Why should there EVER be warrantless wiretapping in a democracy that values the rule of law? That’s just an invitation for abuse. If our government needs to do legal, appropriate wiretapping they should never have a problem getting a warrant. The FISA court already allows for “after the fact” warrants in emergency situations. They have only turned down a handful of warrant requests since the court was created in the Nixon era. Nobody has ever claimed they had a problem getting a FISA warrant. Ever. Warrantless wiretapping has no place in a democracy. Remember this: Democracies die behind closed doors. Just like ours is dying right now - right in front of our eyes. As we do…nothing.

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